You can stay, but you get no pay!
First let me say that I am hardly a novice in the industry, Carole Manto placed me on my first yacht which was managed by Bob Saxon, so I've been at this for a while. I know things have been hard in the industry before, but I have never seen crew treated so poorly. I agree that working for room and board is better than saying pack your bags and go. But give your crew a little notice and leave them with a shred of their dignity. It just seems so harsh. I think a lot of owners are harboring some hostility about how much they have paid their crew over the past few years, and some of the stories I am hearing makes it sound almost like they are enjoying firing their crew. Like when someone stubs their toe and kicks the dog to make themself feel better.
I worry about precisely what the last post said. How much work will satisfy the rent? Will the crew be allowed to interview for other jobs or have they been reduced to indentured servants? And is this something we are going to see more of? It's bad enough when crew have to unclog the owner's toilet and spot treat the bedding stains and spend every holiday making sure the guests are having the time of their life while they don't even have a minute to call their own family. That's fine, we sign on for that, but at least acknowledge the sacrafices and the loyalty. It's not our fault their bank failed.
I don't think this is a "shit industry" . I have been on my current boat for 4 years, my boss is a good man and financially secure, I have nothing to be bitter about. But I think there are some shitty things happening to hard-working people and I think someone needs to open up the lines of communication to figure out what crew can do to be prepared for these things.
I was just talking about this with a friend tonight who said he knows a boat where the owner told the crew he was cutting everyone's salary by 30% and if they chose to leave there would be no hard feelings. But no one quit. They all agreed to stay.
Life is pain, get used to it.
Tiffany, you are right to complain. It's a JOB. Not a lifestyle. Its real easy to tell the anonymous captains here; PYA, Protect Your Arse. You are pathetic; you look after a rich man's toy - servant; get used to it.
Of course you should be paid.
J22 bloke - actually you do pay for health insurance for your volunteer crew. Or at least you should do, otherwise your boat isn't insured and you're playing a game with another's life. 3rd party liability insurance covers accidents onboard too.
I had a really, I mean really bad accident 10 years ago and if the boat didn't have accident insurance I would be dead today.
PYA captainz (small "c" on purpose)
Join us; our name is Legion, for we are many.
It was K3
you walked up to me in the street and asked me if life was good with jade at your side. I remember that bit!
Without more knowledge of the owner, other crew and past experiences it s hard to say if this was a lousy deal or meant as a nice jesture, but perhaps poorly executed.
If the owner has always treated the well, with respect and professionally, then I believe this was a case of the owner not having enough funds (crew first, boat second) and just not handling the situation correctly. He/she could ahve easily said, "Please leave", but it seems there was an offer to have shelter. This sounds like a decent and honorable offer and much more than most layed-off workers in other professions would get.
However, if the crews experience has been that the owner has previously operated in a devious manner, then yes I think theywere shafted.
Only the crew can detemrine which this was.
On a point of perception - EVERY industry has good bosses and bad bosses. I believe that in the yachting world, there are far greater good ones than bad ones!
Just my two cents worth
Reading some posts on this forum makes me angry.
Stand up for yourselfs.
Want to stop it from happening, 3 things to cover your ass in the first place...
1. Ensure you have a CREW AGREEMENT signed BEFORE starting work. (YES THIS IS A LEGALLY BINDING CONTRACT)
2. Join the UNION (yes, the same maritime union for the merchant navy protects us to..... i'll refrase.... protects those of us who ask for money to work all day, at sea and away from familys)
3. Dont be scared to request legal advise and assistance from the union, they will provide it. I disagree with those who are too frightened to stand up for there basic right to work and be paid.
When I was hired..it was an ok offer, and the owner treated us allright...now he asked us to help him with bringing the boat to its base but he cannot pay our salary anymore. He consider us "friends", he loves us so much..he never wanted this to hapend.
...I don't mind delivering the boat I enjoy it... He cannot keep it. He cannot pay for his crew...he has financial problems. Fine, but he doesn't get rid of his 5 Fearraris and porches, motorcycles, etc.
I don't understand that kind of frienship..Do you?
Well said BN. But then again only a BN has the experience and knows how to set themselves up on the favored side of the course, only a BN is wise enough to understand that if the boats a pig....find a new owner. This talk about unions crack me up....imagine the rules, maximum rail time , only two inside outside takedowns per week, no Jibe sets in the rain...... grow up gang....aspire to be a BN
Dude you're speaking an old language! No night peeling, no masthead drops at night! Who knows about that these days?
But one point about unions, one of my deckies broke his back on another boat. His life is ruined. What does an ex-bowman do for a living. The poor bugger lives in pain and no union to help him. I pay his rent, another BN pays his medical bills, we all visit him on Friday night. Yet we can't offer him the compensation that a union could.
For those of us that have taken the time to go to college and get tickets - do some research into the Nautilus Union, membership provides comprehensive insurance cover for liability should you ever have to present in court after an (god forbid) accident or incident..... Protecting your C.o.C's and giving you upto $150K of income protection if your ticket is suspended etc ..... for those "brought up before licencing", that means Certificate of Competency...
.... and to target the guy who thinks that this can be resolved my networking at parties?? yeah, champion mate... thats the way forward. ((?))
The yachting industry is far from unregulated, as most officers and captains on code vessels could tell you. Why should this change with Pay??