The Shocking Truth: Defibrillators on Yachts

Mar 13th 09
Interview by Louisa Beckett

In his first post to the Dockwalk.com Forum “Defibrillators on Yachts” Capt. PNW Rick asked, “… in renewing my CPR certificate at the local Red Cross today, the nurse teaching the course told me that AEDs cannot be used aboard vessels due to the motion which will interfere with its monitoring ability. Is that right? 

Dockwalk.com sat down with MedAire staffers Ginger Bartos, RN, BSN and Lin Gholson, RN, for a Q&A on Automated External Defibrillators (AEDs). They gave us the answer to the captain’s question and a whole lot more.

Q: Is the motion of the ocean too much for an AED?

A: While motion can affect AEDs, it would take a wild ride to interfere with the AED’s analyses. Direct patient stimulation is often a cause for interference with an AED analysis. There have been no official studies to date on using the AED on board yachts, but it can be done safely.

Q: Does the yacht have to be tied up at a dock?

A: No, the AED can be used at any time, including during rough seas. The yacht can be anywhere in the world – dock side, at anchor or under way. Any time that a person has collapsed and there is no breathing or circulation is the right time to apply an AED.

Q: Does the size of the yacht matter?

A: Any yacht, regardless of size, can have an AED on board. The only safety consideration in a small yacht is for the person pushing the AED button; he/she must step away from the victim when the shock button has been initiated. No one can be touching the victim.

Q: What training is required for crew to be able to use an AED on board?

A: While AEDs are designed for use by a layperson, with easy-to-understand instructions, it is recommended that anyone using an AED receive training.

The Maritime and Coastguard Agency (MCA) stated in August 2003 in Merchant Shipping Notice (MSN) 1768 (M+F) that “there is no statutory requirement under international or national legislation for ships to carry defibrillators.” It goes on to state that the MCA recommends “adequate training for first aiders, including regular refresher training (at least every 6 months).” In the January 2009 Consultation Draft “The Carriage of Defibrillator on Ships,” the MCA clarified its position, stating, “First aiders on board ships should receive suitable familiarisation training in the use of AEDs, including refresher training at least every 6 months.”

The crew will also benefit with CPR and basic first aid training, as an adjunct to AED training. Yearly AED refresher training and biannual CPR recertification is recommended.

Q: What type of medical situation requires the immediate use of an AED?

A: Any time someone is unconscious, not breathing or without a pulse, it is recommended that CPR be initiated and the AED attached as soon as it is available. It is always better to err on the side of caution. The AED will analyze the heart rhythms and only deliver a shock if it is needed.

Q: What role does the telemedicine provider play?
A: Heart attacks are extremely life-threatening, requiring immediate crew action. As a result, CPR and placement of the AED should be initiated immediately, while another crewmember contacts the telemedicine provider.

The telemedicine provider should ensure that the AED pads have been placed properly and will be given regular updates on the results of the AED analysis. The telemedicine provider is to take this information, along with an overall assessment of the situation, and make recommendations for continued care. For example: what types of medications should be administered? Does the yacht need to divert to the closest port? Do we need to activate the Coast Guard?

Q: Any tips for crew about AEDs on yachts?

A: The AED should always be part of the first medical/first-aid equipment brought to the scene by the crew. Since time is of the essence with heart attacks, the crew will have lost no time in retrieving it and can begin administering shocks immediately if necessary.

  • Know where the unit is stored on the Yacht.
  • Know where the pads are located.
  • Understand how to convert the pad from Adult to Pediatric.
  • Know how to test your model to ensure that the batteries are sufficiently charged.
  • Develop a routine on board the vessel to regularly check the unit to ensure the pads are good and the batteries are charged.

    Always follow these safety precautions when using an AED:
  • Call for telemedicine support early
  • Dry the chest of the victim
  • If the victim is wet, don’t kneel in the surrounding water.
  • Don’t try to use it on a drowning victim while he/she is still in the water.
  • Make sure you no one is touching the victim when you push the “Shock” button.
  • Take special care when working in close quarters, such as the engine room.

    Q: Has MedAire been involved with many resuscitations where crew have used an AED?

A: MedAire has helped with several resuscitations that have been successful. In one instance, an AED delivered a life-saving shock. MedAire managed the patient’s symptoms, using medications and supplies available in the kit, while the captain diverted the vessel. The patient was treated in the hospital and released several days later.

In another case, the AED was applied, but analysis determined the patient did not need to be shocked. In this case, MedAire managed the patient’s immediate symptoms and arranged for evacuation off the vessel. The patient went on to the hospital where a pacemaker was inserted due to the cardiac issue. The patient experienced a full recovery.

MedAire provides AED/CPR skills training and certification by the American Heart Association in the U.S. and the European Resuscitation Council in the UK.



 

 






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  • Liability laws vary by country and in the USA by state. In Florida we have several laws that protect the person using the AED as well as the owner of the AED. AEDs are designed to only shock people in Cardiac Arrest. If the patient is not in cardiac arrest, the AED will not deliver a shock.

    The key element is training. My company, The CPR School (www.TheCPRSchool.com) sells AEDs and conducts onboard CPR AED First Aid training classes. Every member of the crew should be trained how to treat various medical emergencies including sudden cardiac arrest. Make certain the person teaching the class has real life experience using CPR and AEDs to save lives. I tell my customers if you wanted to take swimming or diving lessons would you trust an instructor that was never actually was in the water? Of course not, so make certain you by an AED and learn how to use it from a full time insured instructor with real life experience.

    Another key element is maintenance and inspecting the AED. Once you own an AED you can’t stick it in the closet and forget about it. You must check it monthly, replace the battery and pads before they expire and keep an inspection log. This too is part of our onboard classes where we teach everyone how to perform an inspection and what to look for.

    Keith Murray, a former Florida Firefighter EMT, is the owner of The CPR School. The CPR School provides onboard CPR, AED First Aid Safety Training Classes for yacht captains and crew. The CPR School also sells AEDs, AED Batteries, AED Pads and AED Software updates. Contact The CPR School at 561-762-0500 or http://www.TheCPRSchool.com or Keith@TheCPRSchool.com
    Posted by CAPTAIN CPR 02/02/2010 15:22:43

  • Liability laws vary by country and in the USA by state. In Florida we have several laws that protect the person using the AED as well as the owner of the AED. AEDs are designed to only shock people in Cardiac Arrest. If the patient is not in cardiac arrest, the AED will not deliver a shock.

    The key element is training. My company, The CPR School (www.TheCPRSchool.com) sells AEDs and conducts onboard CPR AED First Aid training classes. Every member of the crew should be trained how to treat various medical emergencies including sudden cardiac arrest. Make certain the person teaching the class has real life experience using CPR and AEDs to save lives. I tell my customers if you wanted to take swimming or diving lessons would you trust an instructor that was never actually was in the water? Of course not, so make certain you by an AED and learn how to use it from a full time insured instructor with real life experience.

    Another key element is maintenance and inspecting the AED. Once you own an AED you can’t stick it in the closet and forget about it. You must check it monthly, replace the battery and pads before they expire and keep an inspection log. This too is part of our onboard classes where we teach everyone how to perform an inspection and what to look for.

    Keith Murray, a former Florida Firefighter EMT, is the owner of The CPR School. The CPR School provides onboard CPR, AED First Aid Safety Training Classes for yacht captains and crew. The CPR School also sells AEDs, AED Batteries, AED Pads and AED Software updates. Contact The CPR School at 561-762-0500 or http://www.TheCPRSchool.com or Keith@TheCPRSchool.com
    Posted by CAPTAIN CPR 02/02/2010 15:22:35

  • Liability laws vary by country and in the USA by state. In Florida we have several laws that protect the person using the AED as well as the owner of the AED. AEDs are designed to only shock people in Cardiac Arrest. If the patient is not in cardiac arrest, the AED will not deliver a shock.

    The key element is training. My company, The CPR School (www.TheCPRSchool.com) sells AEDs and conducts onboard CPR AED First Aid training classes. Every member of the crew should be trained how to treat various medical emergencies including sudden cardiac arrest. Make certain the person teaching the class has real life experience using CPR and AEDs to save lives. I tell my customers if you wanted to take swimming or diving lessons would you trust an instructor that was never actually was in the water? Of course not, so make certain you by an AED and learn how to use it from a full time insured instructor with real life experience.

    Another key element is maintenance and inspecting the AED. Once you own an AED you can’t stick it in the closet and forget about it. You must check it monthly, replace the battery and pads before they expire and keep an inspection log. This too is part of our onboard classes where we teach everyone how to perform an inspection and what to look for.

    Keith Murray, a former Florida Firefighter EMT, is the owner of The CPR School. The CPR School provides onboard CPR, AED First Aid Safety Training Classes for yacht captains and crew. The CPR School also sells AEDs, AED Batteries, AED Pads and AED Software updates. Contact The CPR School at 561-762-0500 or http://www.TheCPRSchool.com or Keith@TheCPRSchool.com
    Posted by CAPTAIN CPR 02/02/2010 15:22:17

  • Liability laws vary by country and in the USA by state. In Florida we have several laws that protect the person using the AED as well as the owner of the AED. AEDs are designed to only shock people in Cardiac Arrest. If the patient is not in cardiac arrest, the AED will not deliver a shock.

    The key element is training. My company, The CPR School (www.TheCPRSchool.com) sells AEDs and conducts onboard CPR AED First Aid training classes. Every member of the crew should be trained how to treat various medical emergencies including sudden cardiac arrest. Make certain the person teaching the class has real life experience using CPR and AEDs to save lives. I tell my customers if you wanted to take swimming or diving lessons would you trust an instructor that was never actually was in the water? Of course not, so make certain you by an AED and learn how to use it from a full time insured instructor with real life experience.

    Another key element is maintenance and inspecting the AED. Once you own an AED you can’t stick it in the closet and forget about it. You must check it monthly, replace the battery and pads before they expire and keep an inspection log. This too is part of our onboard classes where we teach everyone how to perform an inspection and what to look for.

    Keith Murray, a former Florida Firefighter EMT, is the owner of The CPR School. The CPR School provides onboard CPR, AED First Aid Safety Training Classes for yacht captains and crew. The CPR School also sells AEDs, AED Batteries, AED Pads and AED Software updates. Contact The CPR School at 561-762-0500 or http://www.TheCPRSchool.com or Keith@TheCPRSchool.com
    Posted by CAPTAIN CPR 02/02/2010 15:21:50

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    Ease of use makes the Samaritan PAD the ideal defibrillator for recreational and professional boaters. A status indicator will blink letting you know the Samaritan® PAD is ready for use. The Pad-Pak™ defibrillation pads speed up the rescue by reducing the number of steps required. Just open the package and apply the pads.

    The Samaritan PAD is built on many years of research and development and patented technology. The Samaritan PAD uses SCOPE™ Biphasic technology (a low-energy waveform that adjusts for the differences in each person’s physical make-up) to deliver optimal defibrillation to every patient.

    The Samaritan PAD ships standard with all the items you need to put your device immediately in service. No extras items to purchase. The standard package includes:

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    Carry case: holds Samaritan PAD, spare Pad-Pak and prep-kit
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    This simple to use unit talks and has a diagram explains how to attach and use will only administer a shock when needed and has download capability for Profesional medical personel.
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    Posted by Joe R 16/03/2009 18:01:20

  • Lyndy,
    There is training available but these units are pretty idiot proof. It won't deliver a shock unless it determines that the patient requires it.
    Posted by ablonde 15/03/2009 22:45:12

  • This is a touchy issue,who is licensed to apply procedure, are you clear of any liability,do you need to be educated to clearly access condition?I am a medical provider and we ran a fake heart attack drill, so everyone knew how to assist within range of capability, act quickly,saves life's!
    Posted by lyndy 15/03/2009 19:19:40

  • I'm not an MD but I think the Medaire staff would agree that if you suspect someone is having a heart attack give them an aspirin right away, then proceed with the rest of your emergency protocol. An aspirin will not hurt in the case of a false alarm and if a MI is occurring it can help to save a life and reduce damage to the heart.
    Posted by ablonde 14/03/2009 21:46:46

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